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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:05:00 -
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Time Funnel wrote:Oisin Sandovar wrote:Aryth wrote:CCP has now gone and nuked a ton of assets on our accounts. Meaning, we are losing wealth we had previous to this. Wow. But the message is clear. If you want to abuse something, you do not report it. As someone who tried to work with CCP, my advice to anyone in the future is. Don't. I think the message is really, file a bug report and don't exploit the bug/design flaw. Let me tell you what happens when you file a bug report: nothing. Some people abuse the system for a year, and then they deal with it after "too many" people find out about it. If only a few people know about it and exploit it it is no problem. Once the general population is aware of it, then it becomes a problem and then the exploiters have to find the next bug.
In this case it seems too much was done too fast, and effectively violated the rule of not making it so severe that it needs dealt with. Though really, I can see the reaction being possibly motivated by butthurt. There was a lot of :smug: in the beginning of this thread and a lot of isk worth of LP manipulated out of it. Without knowing how much was made before this was self-reported makes it hard to make any sort of outside judgement IMHO. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:23:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:CCP How many people who abused the Pax Amarria thing did you remove ISK from? Oh thats right none.
I'd be interested to see if possible the total worth of the Pax Amarria issue as compared to this. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.06.22 21:28:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:The Slayer wrote:CCP How many people who abused the Pax Amarria thing did you remove ISK from? Oh thats right none. I'd be interested to see if possible the total worth of the Pax Amarria issue as compared to this. 1.8 billion units of nocxium were produced from the Pax Amarria thing.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.06.22 22:07:00 -
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Aryth wrote:asd3452 wrote:CCP is taking unrelated assets from people who used a game mechanic. A mechanic CCP was told about, publicly, before it ever left the test server. CCP was told that this could happen if the patch went in unchanged. The patch went live unchanged. This cannot be stressed enough. These mechanics came in with the design having clearly been pointed out as bad to CCP. They brought in the mechanic anyway, we zergrushed that mechanic. to Summerize. CCP knew the design was flawed ahead of time CCP Deployed it to the live server anyway ZERGRUSH 5% CCP Sees something. Nerf's Cargodrops. CCP runs their price updater and enables the manipulated items to take effect. ZERGRUSH with market price manipulated item 95% CCP detects nothing Goons: Hey CCP. Here is the entire write up. Oh good, you got the fix in fast. Hey, here are some more you missed. .. .. .. Goons: Wow, Really Bro? Even crap not related to FW you take?
Were it not for this thread and the extent to which it was done, this might be a totally different situation right now. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
224
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Posted - 2012.06.23 00:30:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGÇÖt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. So you screwed up and now you're retaliating? Nice!
Going back to the analogy, when a bank makes a mistake do the just write it off? No, they go after the money wherever it went, and after the person should it have been spent and not able to be returned. How would this be any different? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.23 03:23:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Xython wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote:they didn't help them fix the bug. they helped their wallets with the bug until ccp fixed it. there is a difference. So the only people allowed to make bug reports are those willing to fly to Iceland and donate their time as computer programmers? You make less and less sense the more you talk, PrONEncess Alia. You do know its possible to report a bug without spending a month on a grand james bond villain-esq plan to exploit the bug and announce how incredibly clever you were for exploiting it on the eve online forums right ? Just checking. So would you say that it would be also fair to punish the Minmatar militia for the ridiculous amounts of ISK they made during the Goon manipulation as well? Didn't think so. Sure the Min militia as a whole didn't know about the scam as it was happening, but if its as black and white wrong like you claim it is, you should do the right thing and return the ridiculous amount of ISK that you guys profited off of it. Stop being a hypocrite.
As I understand, the only benefit seen by the militia as a whole was the LP investment to keep the tier level maxed out. The only way to avoid gaining from this is to not participate in faction warfare. The the objectionable actions taken by the individuals orchestrating and profiting from these acts were the market manipulations and LP farming of inflated items. Considering this, the difference between what the average FW participant made and what they would have made for exactly the same actions had the farming and manipulations never occurred is probably negligible to a point of being less than worth considering on a per person basis and possibly still less than what the actual participants in scheme netted when viewed collectively. |
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